The 10 Most Overrated Fighters in MMA

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The 10 Most Overrated Fighters in MMA
By Will Anderson (Contributor) on July 29, 2010 1

Over the years we have seen many fighters come and go in mixed martial arts.

All too often, a fighter that makes some brief noise while fighting in smaller promotions often crumbles under the bright lights when he makes it to a big name organization.

Another scenario is that a once heavily hyped fighter who showed promise when he first started out in a big name promotion like the UFC begins to show huge holes in his game the minute he has to step up to more elite level opponents.

Let's find out who are currently the most overrated in our beloved sport...(hint: Bob Sapp is not No.1)

The link:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ighters-in-mma

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I don't agree with that list in a lot of ways. One of the most overrated fighters in MMA history IMO is Ken Shamrock. For being such a big name in the sport his best wins are over BAS back in the pancrase days followed by Severn(which he later avenged) and kimo. Every other big fight he was in was a loss and most of the time he lost big, and he's in the HOF I think.

I wouldn't even give Kimbo the credit of being overrated, anyone who follows MMA and not Ultimate fighting could tell you Kimbo was a side show attraction from the very beginning.

[brutus]

Shamrock is in the HOF for his career in the early days. He was really, really good back then but he has tarnished himself in everybody eyes by continuing to fight and losing to mediocre fighters. Go back to the start and watch some of his fights. He deserves to be where he is at. I forget who said it (I think phropet maybe) That the worlds most dangerous man deserves that title now only when he is behind the wheel of a car! He didn't use to be that way but he did it to himself.

[KoalaBearV.4]

Having Duffee so high on that list is a bit rich. The dude is so young and made hasn't even had all that much time to prove anything - he's had one bad outing (which was bad luck at the end of the day that lost him that fight) and even though there are a lot of people pumping his tires up (i assume based on his appearence) he should be given at least a few more years to develop before writing him off as overrated.

There is a big difference between overhyped and overrated IMO (Carwin was overhyped - Kimbo was overrated prior to his loss to Seth).

Mir is to me the epitone of an overrated fighter. He does have solid Jiu Jitsu - but after his first loss that showed that even though his BJJ was solid - he couldn't handle both that and taking punches - he went on to break Tim's arm which was more Tim's fault and reaction than Mir who was holding on for dear life trying not to get slammed and pummeled (i think he would have even tried to play for being spiked had Tim's arm not broken).
Fast forward to the Nog fight - he won, fair enough - but then the hype machine had to tell us all that he has a solid background in Karate - something that had only been mentioned in very minor in the past - people start claiming the guy was a god standing as well. I'd love to see him try to stand and trade with anyone with power again.

It is our fault as fans that fighters get catagorised as overrated. Either the writer of this article doesn't realise that - or he is trying to influence opinions out of his own personal beliefes instead of using logic. Becoming a very common thing in MMA writers.

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Originally Posted by brutus

Shamrock is in the HOF for his career in the early days. He was really, really good back then but he has tarnished himself in everybody eyes by continuing to fight and losing to mediocre fighters. Go back to the start and watch some of his fights. He deserves to be where he is at. I forget who said it (I think phropet maybe) That the worlds most dangerous man deserves that title now only when he is behind the wheel of a car! He didn't use to be that way but he did it to himself.

Even if Ken quite after his first loss to Tito with only like 8 losses on his record when you compare his record to that of the other HOF'ers he is definitely the least qualified. I watched all of Kens early UFC fights while they where happening and relevant and, I really don't have a problem with him being there but if not for his trade mark trash talk and fight hype ability I'm not sure he would be there based on actual fighting accomplishments.

[KoalaBearV.4]

Originally Posted by ghost face

Even if Ken quite after his first loss to Tito with only like 8 losses on his record when you compare his record to that of the other HOF'ers he is definitely the least qualified. I watched all of Kens early UFC fights while they where happening and relevant and, I really don't have a problem with him being there but if not for his trade mark trash talk and fight hype ability I'm not sure he would be there based on actual fighting accomplishments.

While i don't disagree with your points - i must point out that Ken was one of the first guys to be successful globally in MMA. He was one of the first guys to win titles in both Japan and America (only others i can think of off the top of my head would be Coleman, Barnett, Bas and Nogueira) and the guys that were able to achieve this were all a significant time after Ken had done it. Even Bas and Coleman completing this would have been 6-7 years after Ken.

Ken deserves to be there for his participation and being one of MMA's first recognised champions.
Before he left MMA and went to the WWF i think he would have been a unanimous vote for hall of fame without too many doubts - when he left and then came back it tarnished his image severely.

Image should not be a factor as opposed to achievments. Ken was a major factor in both bringing MMA to a light where people were exposed to it - and further helped it push into the mainstream eye.

Both business and proffessionally - Ken has solidified himself as a major factor in MMA's history - personal views aside (i personally cannot stand the guy) he should be noted for the more important things he's done on both sides of the MMA coin.

[Divac]

KEn was as good as anyone in the top ten in 1993-98 BUt at that point he stopped looking for folks who could push him in training, folks who might be able to beat him and he was the best fighter in his gym all the time. Sport progresed and he didn't. Ken was one of the first to go to Japan and learn Jui Jitsu to mix with his wrestling, no one had seen a 220 pound guy do rolling knee bars and toe holds. Then came the Gracies and Ken thought he had the Subs and size to defeat that style, but Ken had the mix of Bjj,Striking, and Wrestling before just about anyone in AMerica, he just got comfortable with how good he was too early

Ken IMO deserves to be in the HOF and was far from overrated in the time period he was at the top, he changed the way Americn fighters train boys

[DoomsDay]

I disagree with a few fighters on the list as well...

Tim Sylvia has some pretty notable wins and although I dont think he was ever the best, he beat some pretty good fighters and was a HW Champion more than once.

Mike Brown knocked out Urijah Faber so it doesnt matter if he was lucky or not, he beat Faber twice so why hes on this list, makes no sense at all.

And Matt Brown is still fairly new to the UFC so I dont think he should be considered "overrated" since noones really ranked him at the top anyways...


And finally, I think its crazy to say that John Jones will be the best fighter in the UFC, because hes up against guys like Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, Machida, Shogun, etc.......

I think that prediction is WAAAAY too soon.
To say something like that about Anderson Silva, makes more sense..

[DoomsDay]

Originally Posted by KoalaBearV.4

Having Duffee so high on that list is a bit rich. The dude is so young and made hasn't even had all that much time to prove anything - he's had one bad outing (which was bad luck at the end of the day that lost him that fight) and even though there are a lot of people pumping his tires up (i assume based on his appearence) he should be given at least a few more years to develop before writing him off as overrated.

There is a big difference between overhyped and overrated IMO (Carwin was overhyped - Kimbo was overrated prior to his loss to Seth).

Mir is to me the epitone of an overrated fighter. He does have solid Jiu Jitsu - but after his first loss that showed that even though his BJJ was solid - he couldn't handle both that and taking punches - he went on to break Tim's arm which was more Tim's fault and reaction than Mir who was holding on for dear life trying not to get slammed and pummeled (i think he would have even tried to play for being spiked had Tim's arm not broken).
Fast forward to the Nog fight - he won, fair enough - but then the hype machine had to tell us all that he has a solid background in Karate - something that had only been mentioned in very minor in the past - people start claiming the guy was a god standing as well. I'd love to see him try to stand and trade with anyone with power again.

It is our fault as fans that fighters get catagorised as overrated. Either the writer of this article doesn't realise that - or he is trying to influence opinions out of his own personal beliefes instead of using logic. Becoming a very common thing in MMA writers.

For one, a fighter has to lose to someone who isnt that good to be considered "overrated" so no, Kimbo was not overrated "prior" to his loss to Seth because noone knew Kimbos true talent until Seth exposed it, thus proving him to be "overrated". Yes we all knew that Kimbo had no MMA experience but you have to expose it to consider him overrated. The same could be said about Liddell who has won the majority of his fights by standing and knocking people out, the same thing Kimbo did on youtube. (Although Im not comparing youtube to the UFC, lol.)

And no, Duffee doesnt need a few more years. He got knocked out by a COMPLETE NONAME FIGHTER with a very weak punch, it was NOT "bad luck" like you say...You can look at the list of fighters Mike Russow has fought and how many of them have you heard of ????

And Carwin is overhyped ?
Are you serious ??? ..............Wow...

And Mir I wouldnt say is overrated, Ive said before that his talent is outdated. If you took a minute to pay attention, Mir has been around since UFC 34.....And Tim wasnt going to pick up a 265lb Mir and slam him just by using his arm to do so. Even if he did, it wouldnt be near like a Rampage/Arona slam....


I think you should pay more attention....seriously

[KoalaBearV.4]

Originally Posted by DoomsDay

For one, a fighter has to lose to someone who isnt that good to be considered "overrated" so no, Kimbo was not overrated "prior" to his loss to Seth because noone knew Kimbos true talent until Seth exposed it, thus proving him to be "overrated". Yes we all knew that Kimbo had no MMA experience but you have to expose it to consider him overrated. The same could be said about Liddell who has won the majority of his fights by standing and knocking people out, the same thing Kimbo did on youtube. (Although Im not comparing youtube to the UFC, lol.)

And no, Duffee doesnt need a few more years. He got knocked out by a COMPLETE NONAME FIGHTER with a very weak punch, it was NOT "bad luck" like you say...You can look at the list of fighters Mike Russow has fought and how many of them have you heard of ????

And Carwin is overhyped ?
Are you serious ??? ..............Wow...

And Mir I wouldnt say is overrated, Ive said before that his talent is outdated. If you took a minute to pay attention, Mir has been around since UFC 34.....And Tim wasnt going to pick up a 265lb Mir and slam him just by using his arm to do so. Even if he did, it wouldnt be near like a Rampage/Arona slam....


I think you should pay more attention....seriously

Umm, i need to pay more attention? How much thought did you put into that post? It stinks of ignorance. Please go and apply some deodorant.

Kimbo was overrated because people thought he was some stone fisted hard man - Seth exposed his overrated **** big time. Being beaten didn't make him overrated - the internet n00bs did.

Who compared the Sylvia potential slam to Rampage v Arona? Did i imply the slam was going to finish the fight?

Duffee was winning that fight - he got caught with a heil mary.

Carwin is a big slow wrestler with not so great striking (albeit better than Brock's) and power... Big guys with KO power are dime a dozen. Hell - myself and Divac probably fit that mold. People wanted to believe in him - enough talk made him sound like the best fighter in the world - people like yourself bought it - not my fault you can't think for yourself.

Now - would you like to say anything else stupid while i have the time to slap you back into the dunce' corner?